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Colors - What about All those Off Beat Shades?

wwcga member, Jeff, asked us to consider all the off-beat colors like Powder Blue Opalescent & Sapphire Opalescent (as opposed to Aqua Opalescent) etc., and his point was: are there really such colors "or has our desire to 'categorize' or 'identify' colors begun to stretch into the far reaches? (And when did this "trending" start to occur in our field of interest?)" Jeff further posed the question as to whether such fine distinctions in color were ever intentional on the manufacturer's behalf - or is it really down to us, the collectors, and our desire or "current ability/choice to so identify them?"


An example of a valid yet offbeat color: Persian Blue.

Glen Thistlewood adds:
My personal view is that the many variations and subtle distinctions in color were caused by two things. First, a lack of quality control in the factory. In the early 1900s things were very different on the factory floor - a little bit of this and a little bit of that, was surely the way that many colors came about. There would not have been the careful measurement, control and standardization that we see today. Second, I believe that a certain amount of experimentation was undoubtedly carried out - and that this, too, resulted in some of the rare colors we find from time to time. And remember that some of the raw materials that were used back then could not be used today. In Scandinavia, Carnival Glass went by the name "Poison Glass" - in fact some Finnish people still refer to it as that! The name certainly indicates the dangerous nature of some of the materials that were once used in manufacture.


An example of a valid yet offbeat color: Amber.
When Marion Hartung and Rose Presznick were researching and writing back in the 1960s and early 1970s, there were only a few colors in the collectors' classification. From the 1970s more people began to collect, clubs arose and expanded, and more people began to write about Carnival. Prices went up accordingly. The late Don Moore, writing in the "Pump" in 1986 in a feature called "Off Beat Colors" said "One of the major intrigues of Carnival is the wide range of colors in which it can be found".

There's the key. It's intriguing, it adds to the fascination, the thrill of the hunt to find something different. Don went on in the article to define a further group of "off beat colors...that are seldom seen and less well known" - these included, iridized milk glass and moonstone, lime green opal and reverse amberina. That article was written nearly 20 years ago - we've added more nuances of color into our sophisticated vocabulary since then.


An example of a valid yet offbeat color: Celeste Blue.
So, do these subtle variations of shade actually exist? Well, in my opinion, what we actually see is by no means standardized. People see colors differently. Some people can perceive greater subtlety, and a wider variation, of shade and color than other people can. A color that I perceive as turquoise, is the same color that another person calls green. Are we both right?

One person's aqua opal may well be another person's sapphire opal (I've seen a group of experienced collectors study the same item and come up with three different names for its color). Quite frankly, such judgments frequently are not "black and white"(!).

It’s interesting to read this quote from the late Don Moore ...........
"Just remember that a discussion of colors is always controversial. One color often shades into another and where we draw the line is usually in the eyes of the beholder. If it was an exact science, what would we collectors talk about, write about and argue about?"..........


Back row, left to right: Dragon & Lotus ruffled bowl in aqua opal,
Dragon & Lotus ruffled bowl in vaseline opal with a pastel iridescence.
Front row, left to right: Peacock & Grape ruffled bowl in peach opal,
Peacock & Grape ruffled bowl in vaseline opal with a rich
butterscotch iridescence.

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